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Sachin, Lara not Test greats, ICC explains Why?

Agencies

Posted: Jan 15, 2009 at 1939 hrs IST
      

New Delhi: The ICC on Thursday came under attack for its ‘baffling’ all-time Test player rankings which had no place for champion batsmen like Sachin Tendulkar and Brian Lara in the top 20 but the game's governing body made it clear that the list did not rank players in terms of true greatness.

A day after the new chart was released, former cricketers expressed surprise at the composition of the list and said it was 'extremely misleading" since many great names did not figure in the top ten positions.

India's former left-arm spinner Maninder Singh went to the extent of calling it a ‘joke’ and said ‘sadistic’ ICC officials should stop coming out with such lists.

"The ICC is in the habit of making a joke of themselves, and this list proves that. Now, how can you explain Tendulkar who has scored over 12,000 Test runs not being in that list?

I think these jokers should not be given the pleasure of rating players in this way", Maninder said.

The ICC, on its part, promptly, came out with a clarification saying that the list does not rank players in terms of true greatness and does not give a full picture of a player's level of consistency or longevity in the game.

It said that Matthew Hayden's place higher up the table than Sachin Tendulkar or Brian Lara in the all-time Test and ODI rankings does not necessarily mean that the just-retired Australian is the 10th-best Test batsman or 18th-best ODI batsman in the history of the game.

"The rankings give an indication of how players peaked during their careers but do not give a full picture of those players' level of consistency or longevity in the game", the ICC said in a statement.

Explaining the manner in which the rankings have been decided, the ICC said, "A batsman or a bowler who averages around 700 ratings points for most of his career apart from a purple patch where he shoots up to 900 points before dropping down again may be ranked higher on the all-time ratings.

"But that does not mean he should necessarily be considered to be better than a player who hovered around the 850-point mark for his entire career," it said.

The ICC accepted that the all-time list does not rank players in terms of true greatness.

"For that reason some players, who are considered by most observers of the game to be truly great, such as Brian Lara, Sachin Tendulkar, Wally Hammond, Greg Chappell and others, do not feature in the top 20 in the all-time high ratings," the statement said.

Tendulkar was ranked 26th in the Test rankings while Lara was listed three rungs above him.

The ICC urged fans to take a closer look at a player's entire career graph to determine his greatness rather than go by the snapshots, which is what the "best-ever ratings" effectively are.

If a player's career is considered as a mountain, then a single peak would hold worth less than a high, long plateau, the ICC said.

"Hence Tendulkar would be deemed greater than most other players despite having a lower peak. One way of assessing a player would be to calculate his ‘average rating’ over his career though of course this could penalise a player whose long career included a slow start," the ICC said.

Maninder said the complex calculations used by the ICC was hard to comprehend since the chart does not reflect the reality.

"I don't think players like Tendulkar, Lara, Border or Steve Waugh become smaller just because they don't figure in this list. They have achieved a lot in their careers and cricket fans know their true worth", Maninder said.

Former Indian cricketer and coach Madan Lal was also quite astounded by the composition of the list.

"It shocked me that Tendulkar is not there. He is Test cricket's most prolific run-getter. He has scored heavily in every condition and against all countries. If he is not there who will be there, I don't know. Tendulkar should definitely have been there," he said.

"I am not bothered whether Matthew Hayden or others like Kumar Sangakkara are there. They are also great players but I am surprised any such ranking does not include a Tendulkar and Brian Lara. I don't know what factors or criteria they used to rank the players."

Former Indian opener Chetan Chauhan said it was quite shocking to see the list without the name of Tendulkar who has been regarded as one of the best batsmen in the world.

"Anybody who has scored over 12,000 runs has to be in the top five at least. Tendulkar is still going strong after 19 years of international cricket, so it is really baffling he is not higher up in the list", Chauhan said.

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icci rating
by j k ture on 2009-01-29 21:13:56.100272+05:30
These list of greats without sachin is seems to be manipulative
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ICC rankings
by Prem Chowdry on 2009-01-26 02:47:38.553594+05:30
ICC's explanation about Sachin and Brian Lara is just gibberish. The media, in future, may decide to ignore such nonsense as non-news.
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about sachin
by d.j. channe on 2009-01-18 20:29:37.089762+05:30
Sachin may be emotional point for Indians but really he is not all time great.The list includes some average foriegn playres bellow Sachin but it does not mean that Sachin is all time great for India. He is playing since 1989 but he has hardly 4 to 5 matches which are really won due to him.Most of his centuries are in draw matches. Kapil have made us to see the team as world champion for nearly a decade. Sachin is dismal failure on this count.He had problem in leading indian team and accepted a junior role under junior players. We indians have 3-S i.e. sallumiya,sanjubaba and sachin master-blaster. Tough they are in their forties, we love them in treating them as teen aged boys. He is successful in only maintaining his career for 19 years but we can not point any five years where Sachin has won the matches for india. Even Dravid has proved realy a 'wall' in defending indian side as well as in hitting centuries when india was in sever need.
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SACHIN
by Ajinkya on 2011-07-07 13:07:24.330292+05:30
wen sachin score a 100 no other team mate scores. Dats wat results in a draw. So u cant say sachin is not a match winer, is he alone playing on b'half of 11 players.? Since 2 decades oposition 1st hav strategies to take sachins wicket, dats d fear dude, u w'l nevr knw. U canot talk abt Cricket if u miss sachin. Sachin is cricket, cricket is sachin
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Sachin - still great
by Ravishankar on 2009-02-04 11:10:27.218314+05:30
I truly agree that, Sachin's centuries were not directly contributed to a win. However, he was such a great player that, every other player's confidence, form was depending on Sachin's performance in the middle. Even if sachin scores 50 runs in a confident manner, other players use to perform and make India win otherwise, they use to hole out. Greatest example is 2003 WC. Before WC, we lost to NZ very badly and whole team was down with confidence. It was that time, Sachin single handedly lead and induced the confidence in the whole team. If Sachin had players like current Dhone time during his prime days, probably, we would have won many matches. In his prime days, we hardly had consistent match winner.
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About Sachin
by Vasu on 2009-01-30 13:09:25.039404+05:30
Hi channe,Do you know what cricket is, better first know that !!!Vasu N
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Dishonest biased list
by Timbaktoo on 2009-01-17 21:46:12.275714+05:30
This is uncle malcolm's list which is helped by some horrible dubious umpiring
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foolish icc
by sujith on 2009-01-17 18:19:52.138057+05:30
this result was waste, lara
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